Now you see one of the things that Is wrong with this forum. People who annoyingly hijack and completely obscure a subject. surely it is good manners to start a completely new and unrelated comment under new subject thus ensuring that original message continues in forum and is open for discussion. GRUMP, GRUMP, GRUMP. Eamon.

Eamon,
I did apologise in advance for my "bad manners".
I notice that my input allowed you use the upper case button when spelling your name so it was not an entirely wasted post.
Thanks to Donald and Gregg St boy for their input.

dear lowroader I stand corrected and suitably chastised over my apparent lack of education and correct use of keyboard e.g upper & lower case use. {oops i,ve done it again}. I wasn't getting at anyone specific, but its good to know that we can all relax safe in the knowledge that someone is keeping us right. I shall retire to the sidelines where I will flagellate {did I spell that right?) for at least a week.

After returning from a hard days work ( in the Augustiner ) I find it very hard to understand how you young people find time to discuss such trivial matters. Your time would be much better employed looking for solutions how to reduce unemployment and the price of beer.
donald