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I just spoke with a man on the phone that has used these peoples products for over 15 yrs--he said he found them yrs ago when he using something called pc spec--as he said he could not get the pc spec any longer--he said i decided to give it a try and he said it brought his psa down from 280 to 4.3 in 30 days --and he has been on it sense--they have a place you call and talk to men that are using it--as he told me they will give your money back if they do not drop your psa in 30 days--he said you have to have prostate cancer for the guarantee --As i have said the hormone blockers are not working any longer and i have got to try something else.. James