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Re: Re: Re: lycopene as an anti-oxidant found in tomatoes
Well, Terry, I understand what you present in your CURE DU JOURE. I'm slow to adopt the "latest" super food or supplement. About the time I slowly become willing to try and pay for it, its only a short time later it's shown less than super. I also NEVER think of a food or supplement as a magic bullet to kill prostate cancer.
Vitamin C, Soy, Selenium, Vitamin E, lycopene,
I agree with you on all of these as failed "bullets", but I still eat some tofu and drink soy milk instead of regular milk. I actually prefer it. I take in loads of lycopene but do so for the pasta sauce rather than to get the lycopene, and as a byproduct, get all the vitamin C I would need.
On this group I am neither convinced of their ability to prevent prostate cancer nor have I completely eliminated them for consideration due to some study showing them worthless.
The evidence behind Pomegranate juice is very weak. At this point most of it is from the POM company.
Vit D3 is mostly from the sun for me, although from time to time in the winter I'll take a pill.
Curcumin is also questionable, but seems to be getting some interesting research. I don't reject the concept but there is lots of research to be done.
As you indicated, medical reporting in the Indian population is questionable, especially with limited testing.
OK...now, cruciferous vegetables... I can't imagine living without them. I love them regardless of their specific "magic bullet" value.
I think what bothers me about most of the dietary discussions regarding prostate cancer is that items are discussed almost as a medicine or as a curative.
Good diets are something one eats all their life and as cures for diagnosed cancers are most likely fairly minimally effective tools. But for some, minimal science is enough reason to alter a lifestyle, to take a chance.
However, give me the choice to eat better from birth and I'd gladly accept that option just from the current science we have available.
Which brings us to the Asian lifestyle question.
I do understand under-reporting and under-testing but I think, that aside, there is a higher incidence of prostate cancer in those people if the same genetics are moved to a western diet.
People with various genetic traits do in fact react differently to various diets. Diabetes is a good example. There are some populations who when put on western diets are at huge risks compared to their counter parts still eating in the traditional ways.
You know, diet may or may not make any difference in a given individual, but since more men with prostate cancer are going to succumb to heart disease, stroke, and diabetes, then why not eat properly for those reasons? If it also helps the prostate cancer, that's an added bonus.
No food eaten on occasion is a poison, nor is any food consumed, even in huge quantities, a magic bullet.
One other point. Just because specific items are shown to be of limited value, it does not follow that eating well is worthless. One only need observe waistlines in Australia or America to see a potential value in eating properly.
My diet has been slipping recently and I've been worried about it, but maybe I shouldn't be. This seems to be a common thing, what was thought to be a magic bullet turns out not to be. So what are we to do?
Of course I know my old diet, the one I ate all my life, isn't a good thing either. But maybe post diet changes don't do as much good as they thought. So maybe I'll have some red meat and dairy but keep it in moderation.
I had a life changing event in the past two months so my diet went out the window for a while, but I'm trying to get it back under control again.
So does this mean no tomato paste from the can now?
