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oh my god

I just found out tonight that there is animal testing going on at my university. How could I not know this? Oh my god, I am horrified.

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****. What should I do? There have been protests and everything. I can' believe I didn't know.

They are wiring monkeys brains and trying to develop robotic limbs that can be controlled by thought.

I'm not joking, it's even in my building. I never knew why a certain section of the building was closed off. I thought it was maintenance or storage or something, but it's the animal testing lab, and you need a badge and ID to get in.

I think I'm going to be sick. How could I be near something so horrible every day and not even know it? I'm sitting right next to a concentration and torture camp for innocent monkeys.

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ASU's animal testing is humane-- yeah, right. The following is from the student newspaper from a few years ago.
Ok, well I emailed PETA. We'll see. There's no way testing will stop at ASU because Michael Crow (and the city of Phoenix!) is pumping money into BioTech stuff. And I can't get so involved in everything that I care about, because I would never get anything done. But at least maybe I can help get a ruckus started.

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ASU's animal testing humane


 by Susan Padilla
 published on Tuesday, September 17, 2002




Before any animal is used in an experiment on campus, a person must have the plan reviewed by the Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee and abide by federal laws and regulations to assure the well-being of the animal.

"If an animal is used in a experiment, the study must have scientific merit and extend knowledge in the field," said Edward Castandeda, chairperson for the Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee.

He added that the researcher testing the animal must be certified in handling animals in order to have the experiment approved.

Castandeda said he wasn't sure of the exact number of animals on campus currently being used in experiments.

In order to receive grant money from the government for animal research, the University must receive accreditation to use animals, including lizards, snakes, hamsters and monkeys in experiments.

"Universities can do their own accreditation, but ASU chooses not to because biases could occur," Castandeda said.

The University has an independent agency, not affiliated with the government or ASU, that examines each animal's living environment every three years.

Every animal must have their health reviewed, including the fish in the day-care centers because they are used for educational purposes.

"You can't imagine the flack I get for reviewing a goldfish's living environment in a day-care center," Castandeda said.

After the inspection, the agency reports to the National Institute of Health, which oversees medical and behavioral research for the nation.

When the NIH approves the research, ASU receives their accreditation, Castandeda said.

To further ensure that all animals are in good condition, the University veterinarian checks them each day.

Monkeys are checked more often and extensively than other animals and it is important for them to have an "enriched program," which includes playing with toys and interacting with the other monkeys on a daily bases, Castandeda said.

"They aren't just put in some cage and left there waiting to be studied," he said.

Broadcasting management junior Krystal Nelson said she is against animal testing.

"I think it's wrong to hurt an animal just so it can be tested on," Nelson said.

Castandeda said if given the time to listen, this group might become more open to the idea of animal research.

"I'm not saying that they will come to love the idea," he said. "They should continue to always feel squeamish about experiments on animals. They should not lose that feeling because that shows they respect and care for the animals."

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That right there is the sneakiest tactic ever. Say something that looks like you care, and looks like you are humane and act like you are doing stuff. Oh, the animals are checked daily by a veterinarian! That is the kiss of death.

What kind of veterinarian could live with him or herself okaying these animals to be tortured and experimented on daily?

I was going to say something earlier about subtle racism being harder to pin down and identify and attack that outright racism. So this is a perfect example.

Ok, sorry I have been talking so so so much today.

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Don't let it get around campus that you emailed PETA or it could cost you your job if you signed a confidentiality agreement. Sorry.

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Ok, thanks for the advice. I think I will just attempt to anonymously raise awareness. I've been in that building for 3 years, and I never had a clue.

There used to be a student group called The Society for Creative Mischief. I followed some of the stuff they did and really liked it. I wonder what they are up to these days...

in the news
all this stuff is freaking me out

RENO, Nev. - On a farm about six miles outside this gambling town, Jason Chamberlain looks over a flock of about 50 smelly sheep, many of them possessing partially human livers, hearts, brains and other organs.

The University of Nevada-Reno researcher talks matter-of-factly about his plans to euthanize one of the pregnant sheep in a nearby lab. He can't wait to examine the effects of the human cells he had injected into the fetus' brain about two months ago.

"It's mice on a large scale," Chamberlain says with a shrug.

As strange as his work may sound, it falls firmly within the new ethics guidelines the influential National Academies issued this past week for stem cell research.

In fact, the Academies' report endorses research that co-mingles human and animal tissue as vital to ensuring that experimental drugs and new tissue replacement therapies are safe for people.

Doctors have transplanted pig valves into human hearts for years, and scientists have injected human cells into lab animals for even longer.

But the biological co-mingling of animal and human is now evolving into even more exotic and unsettling mixes of species, evoking the Greek myth of the monstrous chimera, which was part lion, part goat and part serpent.

In the past two years, scientists have created pigs with human blood, fused rabbit eggs with human DNA and injected human stem cells to make paralyzed mice walk.

Particularly worrisome to some scientists are the nightmare scenarios that could arise from the mixing of brain cells: What if a human mind somehow got trapped inside a sheep's head?

The "idea that human neuronal cells might participate in 'higher order' brain functions in a nonhuman animal, however unlikely that may be, raises concerns that need to be considered," the academies report warned.

In January, an informal ethics committee at Stanford University endorsed a proposal to create mice with brains nearly completely made of human brain cells. Stem cell scientist Irving Weissman said his experiment could provide unparalleled insight into how the human brain develops and how degenerative brain diseases like Parkinson's progress.

Stanford law professor Hank Greely, who chaired the ethics committee, said the board was satisfied that the size and shape of the mouse brain would prevent the human cells from creating any traits of humanity. Just in case, Greely said, the committee recommended closely monitoring the mice's behavior and immediately killing any that display human-like behavior.

The Academies' report recommends that each institution involved in stem cell research create a formal, standing committee to specifically oversee the work, including experiments that mix human and animal cells.

Weissman, who has already created mice with 1 percent human brain cells, said he has no immediate plans to make mostly human mouse brains, but wanted to get ethical clearance in any case. A formal Stanford committee that oversees research at the university would also need to authorize the experiment.

Few human-animal hybrids are as advanced as the sheep created by another stem cell scientist, Esmail Zanjani, and his team at the University of Nevada-Reno. They want to one day turn sheep into living factories for human organs and tissues and along the way create cutting-edge lab animals to more effectively test experimental drugs.

Zanjani is most optimistic about the sheep that grow partially human livers after human stem cells are injected into them while they are still in the womb. Most of the adult sheep in his experiment contain about 10 percent human liver cells, though a few have as much as 40 percent, Zanjani said.

Because the human liver regenerates, the research raises the possibility of transplanting partial organs into people whose livers are failing.

Zanjani must first ensure no animal diseases would be passed on to patients. He also must find an efficient way to completely separate the human and sheep cells, a tough task because the human cells aren't clumped together but are rather spread throughout the sheep's liver.

Zanjani and other stem cell scientists defend their research and insist they aren't creating monsters — or anything remotely human.

"We haven't seen them act as anything but sheep," Zanjani said.

Zanjani's goals are many years from being realized.

He's also had trouble raising funds, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture is investigating the university over allegations made by another researcher that the school mishandled its research sheep. Zanjani declined to comment on that matter, and university officials have stood by their practices.

Allegations about the proper treatment of lab animals may take on strange new meanings as scientists work their way up the evolutionary chart. First, human stem cells were injected into bacteria, then mice and now sheep. Such research blurs biological divisions between species that couldn't until now be breached.

Drawing ethical boundaries that no research appears to have crossed yet, the Academies recommend a prohibition on mixing human stem cells with embryos from monkeys and other primates. But even that policy recommendation isn't tough enough for some researchers.

"The boundary is going to push further into larger animals," New York Medical College professor Stuart Newman said. "That's just asking for trouble."

Newman and anti-biotechnology activist Jeremy Rifkin have been tracking this issue for the last decade and were behind a rather creative assault on both interspecies mixing and the government's policy of patenting individual human genes and other living matter.

Years ago, the two applied for a patent for what they called a "humanzee," a hypothetical — but very possible — creation that was half human and chimp.

The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office finally denied their application this year, ruling that the proposed invention was too human: Constitutional prohibitions against slavery prevents the patenting of people.

Newman and Rifkin were delighted, since they never intended to create the creature and instead wanted to use their application to protest what they see as science and commerce turning people into commodities.

And that's a point, Newman warns, that stem scientists are edging closer to every day: "Once you are on the slope, you tend to move down it."

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I hate this!
What's even scarier/uglier is scientists in other countries don't have guidelines as strict as those in this country...also, who knows what some of our scientists might be doing on the sly.

Here are some of the photos from the email you sent me!

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that cat/penguin one freaks me out the most

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That one is certainly scary, but for some reason I find the orangutan/doggie the most disturbing.

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it's a tie.

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i'm gonna have nightmares from the cat/penguin. sheesh! :O

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Yeah-- come to think of it, they are almost as bad as that fuzzy/scary thing that lives under Sara's bed! Is that thing still under your bed, Sara?

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what do you mean scary?