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Subject:   hifu mindwarp trivia from planet earth Name:   hollomon Date Posted:   May 3, 08 - 5:56 AM Email:   laurahollomon@yahoo.com Message:   For the last three days I have wrapped my mind around every bit of information I could find on HIFU. Most of the websites seem to be or state funding from the companies who make the two different machines, and the Drs that use them. Keeping that in mind I decided to look for the Drs who have the most experience with how many men they treated using HIFU with both machines. More experience = less room for error. I also came up with a list of questions. So here's what I just bounced off a Dr. PLEASE do not quote me on my interpretation of the discussion. I am three days into this so for those who are quite more researched please be kind. These are my thoughts processed in my mind from my 15 min conversation written in my words. Ablertherm was the first machine used. It's better for larger prostrates because the ultrasound "wave" hits a bigger area. A smaller prostrate would be more difficult because it would hit outside the prostrate gland. Size matters. Turp is sometimes done on men with bigger prostrates before ablertherm to shrink the prostrate because Ablertherm has size restrictions/ specifications. Turp is done sometimes after either machine to shrink the swelling of the "shell" of the prostrate making it easier to urinate and pass the dead cells and tissues. The ultrasound "wave" heats and destroys the whole prostrate gland and the tissues and cells all work there way out and pass with urine. Slothing can be a side effect. A hollow shell of the gland is left. Interesting. Sonoblate has been used on 10,000. men in the world since it came out. The technology upgrades to the 500 software do not have a steep learning curve. This Dr did 1500. procedures himself in the past 5 years. He said he has used the Ablertherm machine as well and an afterthought was how many times in the 1500 . did he use Ablertherm or were those men a separate number. He was trained at University of Indiana and went to Europe for additional training. Makes me think Urology in Indiana and HIFU certified in Europe possibly started using Ablertherm. It seems like Ablertherm is used more in Europe. Would the companies themselves give a number for the Drs for how the numer of men their machines were used for treatment? I heard someone mention somewhere A top 5 in HIFU urologists. Where can you correctly find out who the top 5 are? Top referred to as the most men personally treated by one Dr. Is the 2% risk of nerve damage a statistic from both machines or the Sonoblate? Is the 2 % statistic from the updated software on the sonoblate machine (500)? Who are the Drs who have had the most experience on men that use one machine over the other? Finally the “hollow” shell of the gland. If the dead cells expel though the shell what happens inside. Can it fill with fluids and or toxins overtime? Its always difficult to talk with a Dr when you have little time to pull together all of your questions and thoughts on a subject you are just learning and they have trained on for so much longer. Even when they are patient and informative there will always be the afterthought of why. Any kind feedback with different thoughts or resources to get statistics on the most experienced Dr’s would be great. I am meeting this Dr next week in person so I will have a whole new Mind warp Trivia… Replies:     Re: hifu mindwarp trivia from planet earth by Terry Herbert · May 3, 08 - 12:32 PM Re: hifu mindwarp trivia from planet earth by TV · May 3, 08 - 7:25 PM Re: hifu mindwarp trivia from planet earth by Ted · May 3, 08 - 9:56 PM Re: Re: hifu mindwarp trivia from planet earth by TV from Canada · May 4, 08 - 8:20 AM

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